Ambiguous Street Searches

[droobie]

Has Tomtom implemented or is there any way to get ambiguous street searches? The big problem is that a road could be in one town for mailing and a different one for street address. Unless you absolutely know the one Tomtom is looking for, it could claim the street is incorrect.

It would really be better if it had knowledge of the street names around the general area, especially since Garmin units can do this.

 

[PSJ]

Agreed, here in the States a lot of times it's necessary to first start with a zip-code for tomtom to even find the street.

 

[dhn]

For situations like that around my area (Toronto), the problem was resolved in 7.20, I think it was. Certainly it's ok in 8.10. Here. the city of Toronto alamgamated with 6 boroughs 10 years ago. But it took to 7.20 for the user to be able to search 'Toronto' (the correct city) rather than the borough the street was originally associated with.

I guess if you give me one example for your area if you don't have map 8.10 and tell me what city SHOULD be selected vs. what city you MUST select it in and I can tell you what the situation is with NA map 8.10.

 

[droobie]

I just bought 8.10 maps today, and have 8.010 Navcore on my GO 720.

It does look like this problem is improved some. I'm going to try a few more searches but so far I'm a little happier.

On the Garmin you can apparently search for the street within range or within the state, I think that'd be a welcome addition.

Looks like I may have jumped the gun too soon. I searched for a place in Manalapan NJ that didn't work previously, that does work now and it's really in Englishtown, it shows up on the Tomtom in both towns. This is an improvement.

I'll see if I can find any other examples.

 

[Arno]

For situations like that around my area (Toronto), the problem was resolved in 7.20, I think it was. Certainly it's ok in 8.10. Here. the city of Toronto alamgamated with 6 boroughs 10 years ago. But it took to 7.20 for the user to be able to search 'Toronto' (the correct city) rather than the borough the street was originally associated with.

I am starting to understand why some say they like Garmin. It must be because they use Navteq maps.
I have the 805 and even though it allows me to input for cross roads City: Scarborough. Road: Brimley Rd S (which is only in the former city of Scarborough), it will not permit any cross road located in Scarborough.
It will find the correct location if the City is Toronto.
This is a TeleAtlas problem as Google maps two months ago, prior to switching their maps, would accept either.

 

[dhn]

You can't have it both ways, Arno. Forget about Scarborough, North York, Etobicoke, etc. and think just Toronto.

 

[21rouge]

I have the 805 and even though it allows me to input for cross roads City: Scarborough. Road: Brimley Rd S (which is only in the former city of Scarborough), it will not permit any cross road located in Scarborough.

Arno I have the 810 maps and I checked on my 730.

"Navigate to..."--> "Cross street or intersection"--> Scarborough On --> Brimley Rd S --> "Cross street"

And there are the choices of "Barkdene Hill", "Bluffer Park Rd S", "Brimley Rd" and "Kingston Rd"...all streets in Scarborough.

And these are the only cross streets with Brimley Rd S that I get when I start with Toronto rather than Scarborough.

Is this what you wanted?

 

[21rouge]

Has Tomtom implemented or is there any way to get ambiguous street searches? The big problem is that a road could be in one town for mailing and a different one for street address. Unless you absolutely know the one Tomtom is looking for, it could claim the street is incorrect.

It would really be better if it had knowledge of the street names around the general area, especially since Garmin units can do this.

I and of course others have made this criticism of TT/Teleatlas. It took me, actually someone else on this forum to 'track' down an address for me on a TT unit. It was address in cottage country in Ontario. The "town" that TT associated the road with was crazy i.e. not the town on the mailing address or the town the residents think they are part of ; it was frustrating.

 

[Arno]

You can't have it both ways, Arno. Forget about Scarborough, North York, Etobicoke, etc. and think just Toronto.

Maybe TeleAtlas can't but Navteq can.
Try it, you'll like it!

 

[Arno]

Arno I have the 810 maps and I checked on my 730.

"Navigate to..."--> "Cross street or intersection"--> Scarborough On --> Brimley Rd S --> "Cross street"
And there are the choices of "Barkdene Hill", "Bluffer Park Rd S", "Brimley Rd" and "Kingston Rd"...all streets in Scarborough.

And these are the only cross streets with Brimley Rd S that I get when I start with Toronto rather than Scarborough.
Is this what you wanted?

No. It actually appears that we were both wrong but TT is still screwed up.
Both city entries, Toronto or Scarborough, do give the same results.

On my previous try I selected Brimley Rd S and wanted to pick a major thoroughfare like Eglinton or Lawrence Ave.

Looking at Google maps I see that only the stretch south, from Kingston Rd included is designated South.

Now to the TT screw up.
Selecting Brimley Road S the following cross roads are offered:
Anywhere
Brimley Rd
401 (which is 4 miles north of Brimley Road S)
Progress Ave (3.5 miles north)
[the actual cross road, Barkdene Hill, is missing]

Selecting Brimley Rd S the following cross roads are offered:
Anywhere
Barkdene Hill
Bluffers Park Rd S
Brimley Rd
401 (4 miles north)
Kingston Rd
[in this set all but the 401 is correct]

Selecting Brimley Rd the following cross roads are offered:
Anywhere
14th Ave (2.5 miles north of Scarborough/Toronto in the Town of Markham).
All others appear to be correct.

I live just to the west of Port Union Rd and TomTom accepts either Scarborough or Toronto.
Google/TeleAtlas returns Scarborough as We were not able to locate the address:

 

[21rouge]

Looking at Google maps I see that only the stretch south, from Kingston Rd included is designated South.

So what is the accepted section of Brimley that is considered Brimley Rd S? Brimley south of the 401?

And if one selects Brimley Rd rather than Brimley Rd S one gets all? the cross streets including Lawrence, Eglington and Kingston Rd and streets south of Kingston Rd.

 

[Arno]

So what is the accepted section of Brimley that is considered Brimley Rd S? Brimley south of the 401?

From and including Kingston Rd.

And if one selects Brimley Rd rather than Brimley Rd S one gets all? the cross streets including Lawrence, Eglington and Kingston Rd and streets south of Kingston Rd.

No, the correct ones from Brimley Rd S are not included.

Instead of asking, you could have checked the latter yourself.

 

[21rouge]

Instead of asking, you could have checked the latter yourself.

Yikes Arno thats a bit harsh. I had originally responded to your observation that your 805 maps would "not permit any cross road located in Scarborough" for Brimley Road S.

I thought I could help by checking on my unit with the newer 810 maps and found that one could get cross streets to come up for Brimley Rd S.

I guess I had misunderstood your further inquiry. I wasnt sure if your concern was that not *all* the cross streets for Brimley Rd S were showing...I am not familiar enough with that area in Scarborough to know if some were missing...hence my ? right next to the word all. (There was no ? at the end of the sentence)

I dont know for sure but I take it your concern was that all cross streets with Brimley Rd S should also be included as cross streets for Brimley Rd in total....and it appears that is not the case.

Just trying help.

 

[Arno]

Maybe I was a bit harsh but thought I had taken the time to search and to explain details in post # 10.

My entry in this thread was about TeleAtlas, at least on Google maps, not accepting Scarborough as a city for an address, but only Toronto.

In this exercise I have been proven wrong as far as the TomTom 805 map is concerned as it still accepts either with identical cross roads listings.