A farewell letter to my TomTom One...

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My dear TomTom One,

Whatever has happened to us? Do you remember the trips we had together, the holidays, the journeys along the big and small roads all around Europe? I do. You were sitting snugly at the bottom of my dashboard, receiving all the satellites on the sky with your external GPS-antenna, tethered to my smartphone, and happily displaying all those traffic jams ahead. It was perfect.

Your display was small, but bright and unreflecting, the colours were pleasing and customisable, the maps full of contrast and information, but without unnecessary frills, and your speaker was loud and clear. Everything just worked, always.

Then things changed. Your company got very rich, and with that came the bloated middle-management. People who had studied economy and thought they knew it all. And so the engineers who had built you, the clever programmers and nifty interface designers, became more and more frustrated. Suddenly all the decisions they had made were questioned. But as there was so much money there, and also so many debts from the acquisition of a mapping company, the economists won every time. And the good, capable people, those who had built this company, started to leave. And other, cheaper, less clever people were employed. People who could pretend a lot and knew less, and who liked to do Power Point presentations. People who could neither program nor design particularly well.

Today, my dear One, I have to tell you that you will not be receiving live traffic updates in the future. The technology hasn't changed, but the policy has. I would happily pay to continue with you. But your former company wants me to buy a new, shiny machine. One that looks more complicated and is less intuitive to use. One that has a reflecting screen and fewer possibilities for customisation. One that makes tethering to most phones impossible and doesn't allow an external antenna to be connected. The people making the decisions now are sure all this is better, and every time somebody says it isn't, they just close their ears with their hands and start to sing. And they are singing a lot.

You know, the Dutch company that once made you reminds me of a large Finnish phone maker. They used to build the best phones of their time, and they also became very rich. Then came the middle-managers, and the good developers became frustrated and started to leave the company, and only the not so good stayed on. And the company became more and more arrogant. People who could have changed something for the better didn't, because this company was still paying their bills. Today, many don't know this company, and it has long been bought up by a big American software maker.

So, my dear One, there is nothing more I can do for us. I will be moving on to other solutions, I am afraid. I just wanted to say thank you for the times we had together. They were great while they lasted.

Yours truly
 
Welcome to TTF. To be clear, we are NOT affiliated with TomTom, the company, just a bunch of uers such as yourself.

That said, for what it's worth, there is a user-to-user Discussion forum that is part of TomTom. There is even a forum for your country there. You might want to cut-and-paste your post here to that forum. Though Tomtom employees don't necessary partake or discussions, they supposedly do read all posts.

And yours is a good one!
 
Welcome to TTF. To be clear, we are NOT affiliated with TomTom, the company, just a bunch of uers such as yourself.

That said, for what it's worth, there is a user-to-user Discussion forum that is part of TomTom. There is even a forum for your country there. You might want to cut-and-paste your post here to that forum. Though Tomtom employees don't necessary partake or discussions, they supposedly do read all posts.

And yours is a good one!

Thanks! I posted this on discussions.tomtom.com under http://discussions.tomtom.com/t5/Travel-lounge/A-farewell-letter-to-my-TomTom-One/td-p/666744 and didn't get a single reply. I think most people simpy don't care, and TomTom apparently least of all. It's a déjà-vu of the situation of Nokia around 2008, including the disappointed users slowly turning away.

Regards
 
...I have to tell you that you will not be receiving live traffic updates in the future.
Just curious -- which model of ONE did you have that included HD traffic? The only one of which I am aware was a 2007 unit sold in NL only called the "ONE XL HD Traffic" (serial number starting with F3). Yet your IP address puts you in a different country. What is this mysterious TomTom?
 
Just curious -- which model of ONE did you have that included HD traffic? The only one of which I am aware was a 2007 unit sold in NL only called the "ONE XL HD Traffic" (serial number starting with F3). Yet your IP address puts you in a different country. What is this mysterious TomTom?

I use(d) the TomTom One New Edition V2 with a paid subscription for Live Traffic. Worked perfectly, and the APIs have not changed to this day.
 
? We may have a miscommunication then. "Live" traffic and "RDS" are different things. The ONE 2nd never supported Live traffic, though it did support RDS. I assume the problem is that you are no longer able to locate an RDS cable for this unit? Have all sources quit selling these 'subscription' cables?
 
Live Traffic on TomTom One V2.jpg
? We may have a miscommunication then. "Live" traffic and "RDS" are different things. The ONE 2nd never supported Live traffic, though it did support RDS. I assume the problem is that you are no longer able to locate an RDS cable for this unit? Have all sources quit selling these 'subscription' cables?

I can assure you I used Live traffic on my One V2 for a very long time. I really do know what RDS is. But thanks for patronising.
 
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Nothing intended to be patronizing at all. Sorry for any attempt at clarification:mad:. Can you provide the first two digits of the unit serial number? Unit naming has not by any means been consistent across oceans, but the only ONE model in our charts that ever supported Live was the ONE XL HD Traffic (noted above), serial beginning with F3, and wasn't being called a V2 at the time.

What I'm guessing now is that you were using the Bluetooth feature on a ONE 2nd (known here, and serial starting with, variously, E1, E2, E3 or Z2) with your 'handy' to accomplish what were called "Plus" services, which did include traffic. That's not what is referred to as a "Live" unit in TomTom parlance... at least not here.
 
What I'm guessing now is that you were using the Bluetooth feature on a ONE 2nd with your 'handy' to accomplish what were called "Plus" services, which did include traffic. That's not what is referred to as a "Live" unit in TomTom parlance... at least not here.

Correct. As stated in my very first paragraph: "...tethered to my smartphone, and happily displaying all those traffic jams ahead." Why do discussions in forums ALWAYS very quickly reach these smart-alec low points? Thanks for your time, but all this is totally beyond the point I was trying to make. It more reminds me of the typical fan-boy talk in a German forum. Over and out.
 
Um... well, then 'out', I guess. Plus services haven't been available here for ages. "Fan-boy"? You'll find few here more critical of TomTom than I am .. well, except perhaps for Andy!
 
receiving all the satellites on the sky with your external GPS-antenna, tethered to my smartphone, and happily displaying all those traffic jams ahead.
Can you supply a URL where I can read up on your device?
All I could find on www.google.de was TomTom V2 ONE DACH and that shows in specifications "Staumelder: ohne".

My GO LIVE 1535 (a Nav3 device) displays the Live traffic bar always with the twin cars on top.

LIVE_GO1535_TTF.jpg


My GO 930, (a Nav2 device) with a RDS-TMC antenna charger cable displays just a green dot when active.

LIVE_GO930_TTF.jpg


This now looks suspiciously much like the picture you show in post #7.

Both of my devices use Bluetooth for the hands free smart phone connection (Freisprechen).
My 930 also uses BT for the remote control.

Europe and North America did not always supply identical models. Some never made it here at all as TomTom here never had a similar market position as in Europe.

In order for us to find out precisely which model you have, canderson asked you several times to supply the first two letters of your model.
Discussions in forums do reach an awkward point when the original poster steadfastly refuse to answer questions asked.

Maybe you should go to http://www.meintomtom.de/ and ask Oskar to help you.
.
 
@Arno
The old ONE 2nd supported "Plus" services which were introduced in 2005, and which were the precursor to the Live system as we know it now. Like was possible on your GO unit, it was a question of coming up with dial-up login strings for a particular carrier, using the Bluetooth DUN profile between TomTom and phone to make the connection. While it lasted, it was a workable solution for some of us who could actually get a phone to perform DUN, and had a carrier that was prepared for a login by a tethering device. The problem in N.A. was a host of different carrier requirements for login, carriers that didn't provide any means for such a login at all, and phones whose BT profile capabilities were all over the map. Some carriers didn't want tethering on their systems, but you could still use the login to make it work if you had the secret decoder ring, usually found in a forum somewhere. Some carriers managed to successfully prohibit it. Of interest -- this was a paid service in Europe, but we never paid for it here in NAM. What I'm wondering is how likely it is that any 'handy' (German term for a cell phone) still supports the DUN profile to begin with. It has been my impression that anything being built recently would support PAN, but not DUN, leaving the OP out in the cold anyway, and that he might as well blame his cellular company too, as time has been running out for the old Plus system on both ends.

Like I say, if you could get it to work, it did pretty well, but TomTom found it was a real setup morass and cost them quite a bit in tech support to help end users make it all work .. when it could.
Units like the ONE 3rd, ONE 125/130/140, and the XL325/330/340 had no Bluetooth support of any kind, so they were unable to be used in this way.

So that mishmash of capabilities and carriers finally drove TomTom to embedding the 2G GPRS and SIM into their x40 series GO Live devices in 2008 in order to get the connectivity for the features that they wanted to sell to their customers. This allowed TomTom to control the end-to-end environment better and to make installation and use more predictable for their customers. One carrier (AT&T) and one company to manage the connections (Jasper), and the only configuration required was the TomTom email account name and password. That worked well enough in North America until AT&T announced that they would be shutting down all 2G service. There was concern that this might be imminent, but it was finally decided that the full shutdown would occur at the start of 2017. We suspect that they've been pulling down 2G bandwidth for their other services already, though. The one thing that TomTom's strategy didn't take into account was having their one carrier tear down the system that the TomTom Live units depended upon for a connection.

As for the contrast between the two -- during the brief period that both Live devices (starting with the x40 units) and Plus co-existed here, it was noted that the Live devices were providing a fuller and more timely data stream than we were receiving with Plus. I was in a position to note this, as I was running a GO720 with Plus side by side with a GO740 with Live for a while. Most of us were never completely clear about where Plus fit into the mix. It seemed to provide somewhat more than RDS, but less than Live.

Anyway, while TomTom faces the advent of the 2G shutdown here in N.A., they have come up with yet another pair of schemes to support data services in Europe, one of which is more along the lines of the old Plus service, and one is 'Live' as we know it here. In Europe, TomTom is selling their newer Nav4 units in two versions. One operates like a "Plus" device, using the user's cell phone to manage the data connection. Those (GO400, GO500, GO600) require that the user have a phone that will support the Bluetooth PAN profile and offer tethering, and a carrier with a data plan that permits cell phone to act as a pass-through for Live data (tethering may be built into the cost of the data plan, or may be at an extra charge). The other units (GO5000, GO6000) employ the previous "GO Live" technique of embedding a GPRS and SIM in the unit so that it can manage its own connections to the network. I suspect that the handwriting is on the wall for 2G service in Europe just as it is here, so it's hard to know how long these units will be capable of handling a Live connection. Anyone hear any new rumors about Europe and 2G?

So in the long run, if we're ever to see Live continue in the U.S., TomTom will either need to sell us something along the lines of the GO400/500/600 that work like they do in Europe similarly to an old "Plus" device, or come up with something entirely different to support data here.
 
P.S. I wish I had screen shots of my old GO720 when it had Plus services running, but do not. The OP's screen shot sure does look familiar.
 
Can you supply a URL where I can read up on your device?
All I could find on www.google.de was TomTom V2 ONE DACH and that shows in specifications "Staumelder: ohne".

My GO LIVE 1535 (a Nav3 device) displays the Live traffic bar always with the twin cars on top.

View attachment 4320

My GO 930, (a Nav2 device) with a RDS-TMC antenna charger cable displays just a green dot when active.

View attachment 4322

This now looks suspiciously much like the picture you show in post #7.

Both of my devices use Bluetooth for the hands free smart phone connection (Freisprechen).
My 930 also uses BT for the remote control.

Europe and North America did not always supply identical models. Some never made it here at all as TomTom here never had a similar market position as in Europe.

In order for us to find out precisely which model you have, canderson asked you several times to supply the first two letters of your model.
Discussions in forums do reach an awkward point when the original poster steadfastly refuse to answer questions asked.

Maybe you should go to http://www.meintomtom.de/ and ask Oskar to help you.
.

Thanks. But I wasn't really looking for help. I was voicing my opinion about what has become of TomTom, which, when you read reviews on Amazon in many countries, seems not only to be my opinion.

Regarding the photo I posted, RDS does NOT transmit wind warnings...
 
@Arno
The old ONE 2nd supported "Plus" services which were introduced in 2005, and which were the precursor to the Live system as we know it now. Like was possible on your GO unit, it was a question of coming up with dial-up login strings for a particular carrier, using the Bluetooth DUN profile between TomTom and phone to make the connection. While it lasted, it was a workable solution for some of us who could actually get a phone to perform DUN, and had a carrier that was prepared for a login by a tethering device. The problem in N.A. was a host of different carrier requirements for login, carriers that didn't provide any means for such a login at all, and phones whose BT profile capabilities were all over the map. Some carriers didn't want tethering on their systems, but you could still use the login to make it work if you had the secret decoder ring, usually found in a forum somewhere. Some carriers managed to successfully prohibit it. Of interest -- this was a paid service in Europe, but we never paid for it here in NAM. What I'm wondering is how likely it is that any 'handy' (German term for a cell phone) still supports the DUN profile to begin with. It has been my impression that anything being built recently would support PAN, but not DUN, leaving the OP out in the cold anyway, and that he might as well blame his cellular company too, as time has been running out for the old Plus system on both ends.

Like I say, if you could get it to work, it did pretty well, but TomTom found it was a real setup morass and cost them quite a bit in tech support to help end users make it all work .. when it could.
Units like the ONE 3rd, ONE 125/130/140, and the XL325/330/340 had no Bluetooth support of any kind, so they were unable to be used in this way.

So that mishmash of capabilities and carriers finally drove TomTom to embedding the 2G GPRS and SIM into their x40 series GO Live devices in 2008 in order to get the connectivity for the features that they wanted to sell to their customers. This allowed TomTom to control the end-to-end environment better and to make installation and use more predictable for their customers. One carrier (AT&T) and one company to manage the connections (Jasper), and the only configuration required was the TomTom email account name and password. That worked well enough in North America until AT&T announced that they would be shutting down all 2G service. There was concern that this might be imminent, but it was finally decided that the full shutdown would occur at the start of 2017. We suspect that they've been pulling down 2G bandwidth for their other services already, though. The one thing that TomTom's strategy didn't take into account was having their one carrier tear down the system that the TomTom Live units depended upon for a connection.

As for the contrast between the two -- during the brief period that both Live devices (starting with the x40 units) and Plus co-existed here, it was noted that the Live devices were providing a fuller and more timely data stream than we were receiving with Plus. I was in a position to note this, as I was running a GO720 with Plus side by side with a GO740 with Live for a while. Most of us were never completely clear about where Plus fit into the mix. It seemed to provide somewhat more than RDS, but less than Live.

Anyway, while TomTom faces the advent of the 2G shutdown here in N.A., they have come up with yet another pair of schemes to support data services in Europe, one of which is more along the lines of the old Plus service, and one is 'Live' as we know it here. In Europe, TomTom is selling their newer Nav4 units in two versions. One operates like a "Plus" device, using the user's cell phone to manage the data connection. Those (GO400, GO500, GO600) require that the user have a phone that will support the Bluetooth PAN profile and offer tethering, and a carrier with a data plan that permits cell phone to act as a pass-through for Live data (tethering may be built into the cost of the data plan, or may be at an extra charge). The other units (GO5000, GO6000) employ the previous "GO Live" technique of embedding a GPRS and SIM in the unit so that it can manage its own connections to the network. I suspect that the handwriting is on the wall for 2G service in Europe just as it is here, so it's hard to know how long these units will be capable of handling a Live connection. Anyone hear any new rumors about Europe and 2G?

So in the long run, if we're ever to see Live continue in the U.S., TomTom will either need to sell us something along the lines of the GO400/500/600 that work like they do in Europe similarly to an old "Plus" device, or come up with something entirely different to support data here.

I share most of that. However, bluetooth DUN is supported by ALMOST ALL mobile phones of the last approximately 8 years, while bluetooth PAN is ONLY supported by the newest versions of iOS and Android. This leaves out more than 85 percent of all potential users. If a provider does not WANT to support tethering, this applies to ANY bluetooth protocol. TomTom should have simply also supported DUN in newer devices. While configuration worked either by entering dial-up-codes and passwords or by using these from pre-configured lists TomTom had to update, it basically worked very well, at least in my case.

And just to clarify, when I wrote 'live traffic' in my initial post, I simply meant live traffic, not 'Live Traffic'. I agree that could be confusing.

And I still think it's crazy of TomTom not supporting PLUS-services for those who actually want to pay for them. The APIs have definitely not changed up till today.
 
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Can you supply a URL where I can read up on your device?
All I could find on www.google.de was TomTom V2 ONE DACH and that shows in specifications "Staumelder: ohne".
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"How to incorporate live traffic information into your route planning automatically
Using TomTom ONE you can always know about traffic problems on your route. Your TomTom ONE can alert you to traffic problems as they occur, and alter your route accordingly. Traffic information can also be taken into account when planning a route." from: http://download.tomtom.com/open/manuals/one/refman/Main_menu_EN_UK.html
 
I share most of that. However, bluetooth DUN is supported by ALMOST ALL mobile phones of the last approximately 8 years,
We've been seeing a drop in DUN availability here for some time now. My previous phone (a Motorola V950) didn't support it, and neither did my iDen Motorola phone before that. I have to go one more phone back from there to have DUN. Once I was unable to get Plus working on the Sprint network, it really didn't matter, though. I was stuck. They had finally closed the DUN loophole on the server end.

...while bluetooth PAN is ONLY supported by the newest versions of iOS and Android.
I'm not an iGuy, but for Android, we managed to circumvent carrier removal of PAN support with PDANet for a while. The carriers were busy disabling the 'native' tethering ability of the phones here unless you paid the tethering fee on top of your regular data plan charges. DUN was being supported from Android 2.0 onward, which worked for Plus, but again, only if you could get the carrier end to cooperate. There again, PDANet was a good solution for some to keep Plus working on an Android device.

This leaves out more than 85 percent of all potential users. If a provider does not WANT to support tethering, this applies to ANY bluetooth protocol.
I'd question the 85% figure this far down the road in the U.S. market, but certainly not the latter statement. I'm curious to know how you see tethering dealt with across Europe. It's been a while since I checked to see who the players were, but do you still have T-Mobile, O2, Vodafon, and E-Plus in Germany? How do they currently treat you regarding tethering there? In general, what kind of cost for data plans that include tethering (if any exist), and if not, how much extra for tethering for a data plan? That will make a big difference to people who are buying the newer GO400/500/600 models there. Also, what kind of business model do those companies currently have for DUN usage? As noted, when they offered it at all here, they charged dearly for it, and it's just recently since the carriers can control it better with their selective enable/disable of native PAN on these phones that they've been starting to provide any sort of tethering service again. For a while, it was pretty scarce with any protocol (profile) at all because many of our data plans in the U.S., while perhaps capped, weren't metered (perhaps a big difference there with Europe).

TomTom should have simply also supported DUN in newer devices.
They don't even support the normal audio profiles for hands-free use in the newest units (yet), and it isn't clear if they even intend to do so later. The new Nav4 GO400/500/600 and the "Live" 5000/6000 models are missing so many features vs. previous models that many of us are amazed that they chose to send them to market. What we're not sure about is whether this is just a more extreme example of what happened with the previous generation (we call it Nav3 - the ones that used MyTomTom first) where some of the 'missing' features to which we had been accustomed on Nav2 units were slowly added back after initial launch, or whether we're looking at a permanent 'de-featuring' of these new Nav4 units. Many of us would like to get the current crop of TT product managers into a rubber room and ....

While configuration worked either by entering dial-up-codes and passwords or by using these from pre-configured lists TomTom had to update, it basically worked very well, at least in my case.
It didn't work for me until I got the information I needed from someone on the inside at the carrier (Nextel), but it did work quite well for me after that. In fact, I think I posted the original settings for Nextel users here.

I think another thing that irked most of the carriers early on is that they had created no provision in their own systems to meter a user's usage on DUN, and even at dog slow dialup speeds (19200 being 'fast'), most didn't want to give away the bandwidth for free. I was using DUN with Nextel with no data plan at all - phones back then weren't really data devices -- not even SMS back then.

And just to clarify, when I wrote 'live traffic' in my initial post, I simply meant live traffic, not 'Live Traffic'. I agree that could be confusing.
Could be just a matter of how TT describes the services in our different markets, not to mention the language difference itself. Here in the forum, to avoid confusion, we've tried to carefully retain the original distinction between 'Plus', 'RDS' and 'Live' since they all used different mechanisms for the physical and logical connection. That was particularly important when the first GO x40 "Live" units started to show up here.

And I still think it's crazy of TomTom not supporting PLUS-services for those who actually want to pay for them. The APIs have definitely not changed up till today.
Hard to know why they're 'leaving money on the table'. Would have to sit and think a bit on whether/how it costs them additional money to support the Plus service vs. the Live service that they continue to operate.
 
Thanks, I never new about "plus".
My first GPS was the GO 930 in May 2008.
I assume we still have the old threads here, though I'm not sure if we captured everything during our transition to the new board software. I can't find anything when I search for "tether plus canada" or "tether plus rogers" or similar, but if you search for "tether plus" you'll see the Plus setup conversations going back to 2007. Here's a fairly classic conversation on trying to get the configuration right for Sprint phones. TomTom was doing FAR better at supporting this in Europe where they provided detailed setup info for many phones and carriers. Here, we were largely on our own since so few phones actually appeared in the 'approved' list. https://www.tomtomforums.com/threads/sprint-phones.2777/

I don't know/recall what your carriers in Canada were doing about DUN / tethering back then. Your 930 was definitely capable of Plus services down here.
 

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